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squashaddict1234 Newbie
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 9:01 pm Post subject: brutal training methods |
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| I have heard of some brutal training methods over the years. Among others, David Palmer doing 300 court sprints continuously in 12 mins 30 secs, Johnny Williams doing 32 400metre sprints all under 75secs with 45secs rest continuously. Does anyone out there have any brutal training methods? |
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hagesy Heavy Contributor
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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:12 pm Post subject: |
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I have heard that palmer does 10 sets of 120 stroke ghosting, with 1 mins rest in between, with each one under 5 mins.
I am happy to do one in under 5 mins. The mind boggles as to how much pain the top player must go through to remain superbly fit. |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 10:15 pm Post subject: |
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Used to do 100 court sprints and ridiculous amounts of ghosting routines. Now though, the court sprints seem stupid... the 400 m seems to make more sense. Ghosting's the best.
Used to do this thing called the "beep test". Run gym lengths...beep..run... beep... gotta get there before the beep and the beeps get faster and faster. Me and 2 other dudes at school beat the test... that seems better than court sprints.
Used to run in the mountains at a cottage in 30 degrees celcius heat. Running all sorts of terrain, lakes to cool off in... that's brutal... stupid too in that heat. _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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HACKER Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Try running one length of the court, then walk one length. Then run 2 lengths, walk one length, run 3 lengths walk one etc etc. See how many you can get up to. If you do 10, you're doing well. Try 52 like i saw someone do once! Imagine at the end of the routine, running 50 lenghts, walking one, running 51, walk one, running 52!! Brutal |
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bendi36 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:16 pm Post subject: |
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The beep test isn't a training device is a measure used to determine fitness and their is no such thing as beating the test _________________ If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite |
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bendi36 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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I'm lucky to do the 120 ghosting in 6 minutes _________________ If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite |
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squish Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| the beep test has a finite number of levels so if you beat the last beep you can be said to have beaten the test. Careful not to overtrain like Marshall, Barrington, etc. |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| bendi36 wrote: | | The beep test isn't a training device is a measure used to determine fitness and their is no such thing as beating the test |
Ok then, we ran out of beeps on the tape without being out of time. We weren't out at the very top level... when the beeps are fastest. What else is it called then? Why isn't the test longer then? The gym teacher said we were the only guys he's taught to have done that. _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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Azx Contributor

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:56 am Post subject: |
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| what is exactly stroke ghosting? |
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bendi36 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:35 pm Post subject: |
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Adrian 19 I bet your lying. Only a few ppl in the world can do the beep test. Anthony Ricketts who is supposedly one of the fittest squash players can only get to 17. But you and a few other blokes were obviously fitter than him while you's were in highskool. I totally believe that.
Is stroke ghosting normal ghosting?? Like with a racket and swinging? _________________ If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite |
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manus Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrian19 wrote: | | bendi36 wrote: | | The beep test isn't a training device is a measure used to determine fitness and their is no such thing as beating the test |
Ok then, we ran out of beeps on the tape without being out of time. We weren't out at the very top level... when the beeps are fastest. What else is it called then? Why isn't the test longer then? The gym teacher said we were the only guys he's taught to have done that. |
I smell bullshite around here, the fittest man in ireland had a score of 16. antony ricketts was one of the fittest men in the world and he managed 17 and did not beat the test. sniff sniff...... |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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Well then... this was the Canadian highschool beep test... don't know if its the same that Ricketts would have used. Would be interesting to find out cos then I'll really start bragging. I wouldn't be surprised if it was. _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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bendi36 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:16 am Post subject: |
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The canadian one is probably a lot easier considering they have the likes of Adrian 19 in their country. _________________ If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite |
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can_squasher Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:37 am Post subject: |
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I've done the Canadian high school one too...got to level 12 or 13.
Try doing 20 court sprints (back wall to front wall is 1, front to back is 2....) in under 50 seconds. Take a three minute break and do it again. And again. And maybe again. |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 8:20 am Post subject: |
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Cubbins, why are you deleting my posts and not deleting ones that offensive against me? _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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OsloSquash Heavy Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:53 am Post subject: |
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I have heard from some credible resources that Jhansher was doing 26 court sprints (back wall to front wall is 1, front to back wall is 2....) in 1 minuet, then 1 minuet break. And he did this 20 times mostly, but before big tournaments he did try to do 25 times. Do a try and se how many you can do. A god squash player should be able to do 22 in 1 minuet, at least 5 times. If you can do this 10 times, you are in a wary good squash form.
Have anyone tried this and how many have you managed to do in 1 minuet, who many times?
I did 20 in a minute with 1 minute rest, 5 times. _________________ Oslo Squash |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject: |
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What's the point of doing court sprints? Seriously? It makes more sense to do ghosting which mimics the flow of play. Court sprints are silly, stupid, boring, tedious, repetitive, idiotic and pointless. I'm not surprised that Jansher did them. He was probably drunk off his mind! Go Jansher! How much booze you smuggled lately,son? Sad... the guy can't even smuggle booze properly! _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| OsloSquash wrote: | I have heard from some credible resources that Jhansher was doing 26 court sprints (back wall to front wall is 1, front to back wall is 2....) in 1 minuet, then 1 minuet break. And he did this 20 times mostly, but before big tournaments he did try to do 25 times. Do a try and se how many you can do. A god squash player should be able to do 22 in 1 minuet, at least 5 times. If you can do this 10 times, you are in a wary good squash form.
Have anyone tried this and how many have you managed to do in 1 minuet, who many times?
I did 20 in a minute with 1 minute rest, 5 times. |
Wow, buddy! Let's get you a medal!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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OsloSquash Heavy Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry i dont need a medel!
How many have you done in a minute little boy? _________________ Oslo Squash |
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manus Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrian19 wrote: | | What's the point of doing court sprints? Seriously? It makes more sense to do ghosting which mimics the flow of play. Court sprints are silly, stupid, boring, tedious, repetitive, idiotic and pointless. I'm not surprised that Jansher did them. He was probably drunk off his mind! Go Jansher! How much booze you smuggled lately,son? Sad... the guy can't even smuggle booze properly! |
court sprints push your heat rate right up to 100% usually, then you recover and allow your body to take the lactic acid away, then do it again. its a good way to increase intense fitness and really get an edge. you should always train harder than you play dumb ass, thats why people do sprints because its harder than ghosting.............. |
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bendi36 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| manus wrote: | | Adrian19 wrote: | | What's the point of doing court sprints? Seriously? It makes more sense to do ghosting which mimics the flow of play. Court sprints are silly, stupid, boring, tedious, repetitive, idiotic and pointless. I'm not surprised that Jansher did them. He was probably drunk off his mind! Go Jansher! How much booze you smuggled lately,son? Sad... the guy can't even smuggle booze properly! |
court sprints push your heat rate right up to 100% usually, then you recover and allow your body to take the lactic acid away, then do it again. its a good way to increase intense fitness and really get an edge. you should always train harder than you play dumb ass, thats why people do sprints because its harder than ghosting.............. |
I agree there are better training methods out there but when it comes to coaching it's just easier to do all your physical work on court. Palmer reccomends keeping physical stuff to the court on his DVD. Jansher got caught with a few bottles of alcohol, he probably didn't wanna throw them away or something- no big deal. And manus if you continuously pushed your HR at 100% in a small space of time and repeatadly you would collapse or your vital systmes would shut down permanently. _________________ If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is, infinite |
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manus Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 2:42 pm Post subject: |
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| bendi36 wrote: | | manus wrote: | | Adrian19 wrote: | | What's the point of doing court sprints? Seriously? It makes more sense to do ghosting which mimics the flow of play. Court sprints are silly, stupid, boring, tedious, repetitive, idiotic and pointless. I'm not surprised that Jansher did them. He was probably drunk off his mind! Go Jansher! How much booze you smuggled lately,son? Sad... the guy can't even smuggle booze properly! |
court sprints push your heat rate right up to 100% usually, then you recover and allow your body to take the lactic acid away, then do it again. its a good way to increase intense fitness and really get an edge. you should always train harder than you play dumb ass, thats why people do sprints because its harder than ghosting.............. |
I agree there are better training methods out there but when it comes to coaching it's just easier to do all your physical work on court. Palmer reccomends keeping physical stuff to the court on his DVD. Jansher got caught with a few bottles of alcohol, he probably didn't wanna throw them away or something- no big deal. And manus if you continuously pushed your HR at 100% in a small space of time and repeatadly you would collapse or your vital systmes would shut down permanently. |
read the post properly, i didnt say to push your heart rate at 100% continously. usually we start off at 12 court sprints, then recover, then increase by 1 until we reach 22. towards the end of the session anyone using a hr monitor would be at 100% or close. its vital that you recover after a set though... |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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Noone should find ghosting to be easier than sprints. If you do you're doing it wrong or not being pushed properly. You should do them with the proper time limits to really push yourself hard. Sprints are way easier... Recovering from a lunging postion repeatedly over and over is much more taxing than just back and forth upright sprints.
Anyone saying otherwise just isn't doing them hard enough.
Oslo, I can't remember... I do know that when I did do silly things like court sprints I killed Jon Power's records. I'm sure i could have done more than you. And any way, even if you're the court sprint master... who cares... good for you! Again, want a medal buddy?
Manus, no! Really? Training harder than you play? WOW did you invent that concept all by yourself? Wow, guy, that's a revolutionary concept that nobody has ever though of before except for you! And you max out at 22 court sprints...? Guess you don't play that hard. why don't you go run for miles outside up and down hills instead of running back and forth on the court? Waste of court time for other members... _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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manus Prolific Contributor
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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 7:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrian19 wrote: | Noone should find ghosting to be easier than sprints. If you do you're doing it wrong or not being pushed properly. You should do them with the proper time limits to really push yourself hard. Sprints are way easier... Recovering from a lunging postion repeatedly over and over is much more taxing than just back and forth upright sprints.
Anyone saying otherwise just isn't doing them hard enough.
Oslo, I can't remember... I do know that when I did do silly things like court sprints I killed Jon Power's records. I'm sure i could have done more than you. And any way, even if you're the court sprint master... who cares... good for you! Again, want a medal buddy?
Manus, no! Really? Training harder than you play? WOW did you invent that concept all by yourself? Wow, guy, that's a revolutionary concept that nobody has ever though of before except for you! And you max out at 22 court sprints...? Guess you don't play that hard. why don't you go run for miles outside up and down hills instead of running back and forth on the court? Waste of court time for other members... |
your quote is written like a true immature little boy who doesnt know what he is talking about. court sprints are way harder than ghosting. peter nicol and simon parke used to do ghosting on their "recovery" days because it was easier than sprints, but i suppose they are wrong and you are right....... |
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Adrian19 Prolific Contributor

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Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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I guess that they aren't pushing themselves too hard either when they do their ghosting if they're do it on 'recovery' days.
Settle down there manus... would't want you to get upset now. _________________ Foster's... it's Australian for beer! |
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