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bendi36 · Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:32 pm Post subject: Willstrops words

How is betting the best way to get squash into the limelight?? I can see that people who enjoy punting, and really stretch to find good odds might then recognise a few squash players, but I would've thought media where squash can be exposed to everyone would be better... also since when is Vaughan a cricketing great?? sorry I had to add that. Any player in the Australian side would have twice as much talent as the best english cricketing player.
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Adam Hildred · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Willstrops words

bendi36 · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:15 am Post subject:

Ok I exagerated. I hate bias. Most of the players on the Australian team are better than Vaughan.
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bendi36 · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 2:17 am Post subject:

Those players you named are just the current side playing india, I'm talking about all the players under contract. Even players who aren't on contract and just play state cricket are better... andy bichel.
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hagesy · Heavy Contributor Joined: 07 Dec 2007 Posts: 28

i would actually rate symonds as a better player than flintoff.

Much better fieldsman
i would give him the edge on the batting
Flintoff is the better bowler, however symonds can bowl both offspin, and medium pace.

Maybe your opinion of flintoff is inaccurate due to the fact that if england lose him for a match, then youse only have pieterson to win the match for youse. If Australia loses symonds it is a loss, but we have another 5 or 6 champions who step up week in, week out.

I think england a back to no 5 in the world, after their loss to sri lanka. Where they belong.

th0mascricket · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 9:48 am Post subject:

For once I agree with Bendi. Who'd have thought it? Malcolm banging on about betting, again. If Malcolm wasn't an inveterate gambler I could perhaps take his opinion more seriously, but his opinion is very biased.

As an Englishman, I have to say Flintoff is overhyped, massively. No where near good enough to bat at six and I'd rather have Bichel in my team batting at seven, most days of the week. That said, Bichel's night time preferences are similar to Flintoffs' - I once saw Bichel doing muscle man poses, standing on the bar with his shirt off in a hotel in Nairobi.

Adam Hildred · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

Symonds and Bichel are nowhere near Flintoff. Get a DVD of the 2005 Ashes and watch it if you want to be reminded why. And it's not just that one series either, he had been averaging 40 with the bat and near 20 with the ball for a while before that. Obviously his career figures will never show him to be as good as he is because he spent the first five years or so of his career mucking about.

Since 2003, Freddie averages 38 with the bat, which is more than Symond's average of 33 and Bichel's of 17, and obviously none of their bowling even compares to Flintoff's.

Just because he's been injured for a while, people seem to forget how good a player Flintoff is. Of course his batting has been rubbish in the few Tests he's played recently, he's barely played any cricket. But a while ago he was a very good no. 6 - one of our top run scorers in the 2004 and 2005 summer, and averaged 52 in our tour to India in early 2006.

What difference does it make that Symonds can bowl pies in medium pace or off spin mode?

I'm not denying the Aussies are a better team than us at the minute or that they have a lot of players better than us, but saying Bichel or Symonds are superior to Flintoff is just wrong. Smile

England will be back up to #2 and challenging #1 if they get their full side fit.

On the topic of betting... I fail to see how it would help squash get a bigger audience. I doubt people will go onto a bookies' website and go to bet on a sport htey know nothing about, and then decide to take up the sport.
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speedmike · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:37 am Post subject:

Guys this is the Squash forum........ stick to the subject or get on another forum please.

All the best for 2008!

jozzah · Contributor Joined: 04 Aug 2007 Posts: 17

Agree totally with Speedmike. But then again, a boring sport as cricket probably doesn't have a forum of their own! Wink

bendi36 · Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 11:36 pm Post subject:

Those figures are wrong adam. Symonds and especially Bichel are much better players. The english team is done. They wouldn't be able to even challenge India yet. Aren't they 6th in tests and 9th in ODI's?
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Adam Hildred · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:32 am Post subject:

Symonds is barely an all-rounder, he's a batsman who can bowl and field, and would be better compared with Paul Collingwood (and, FWIW, I'd take Colly any day of the week).

Bichel averages 17 with the bat and obviously his bowling is no where near Flintoff's.

Neither Symonds or Bichel will ever score 400 runs and take 25 wickets in a Test series.
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bendi36 · Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:47 pm Post subject:

Bichel is a much better batsman then his figures tell, he has had a long time to mature. His bowling is much better, and yes symonds bowling isn't great his batting makes up for it. How could you compare someone as explosive as Symonds to old Paul Collingwood?? Flintoff had one good series. Just one. Then he gets injured and the whole team is in disarray. Nathan Bracken who is better than Flintoff gets just as many injuries and people talk about not letting him play anymore just cos he breaks down so much.
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