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xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

Should the ruling of the World junior championships be changed to allow peoples whos birthdays lie within july and august to be able to play in them.

It seems a bit unlucky that if your birthday falls at the end of july that you cannot play. For example this year Neil Cordell will miss out on his chance to play in the championships due to his birthday being a week before the championships. are we denying him his chance to become world junior champion or a chance to represent his country on the biggest junior occasion??
what about if your birthday is during the championships should you be able to play and finish off what you started? another example is james earles his birthday middle of the british junior open should he be allowed to play in the age group he falls under at the beginning of the tournament??

Adrian19 · Prolific Contributor Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 230

All junior squash players should really try to schedule their birthdays better.

Blame his parents buddy! Not the World Squash Championships flamer!

bendi36 · Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 7:00 am Post subject:

well if you allowed the people at the end of july to play than it would be unfair for the people at the start of august. And if you allowed people born in august to play it would be unfair for septembers etc
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xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

ok so what about if you turn 19 during the tournament shouldnt you be allowed to play?

Adrian19 · Prolific Contributor Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 230

Nope, can't be 19 and play in a junior tournament.

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

I believe that if you turn 19 during the tournament you should still be allowed to play its not as if your out by along way. we are denying people their chance to go down in history as a world junior champ or a british junior champ.

we let the Pakistanis and the egytians get away with it for so long. I hear that there are plans to bring in testing at this years world junior champs maybe it should be random.....the whole pakistani team and a couple of egyptians.

after all Bilal Zaman played the worlds in new zealand in 2006 and he is now claiming to be 24 now if my maths serves me right that shouldnt be the case.

stevecubs · Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2008 8:24 am Post subject:

Forgetting the lying about your age aspect of it, that's a different issue, but there has to be a cutoff, and wherever you put that cutoff someone will be disappointed. 'Not out by a long way' is still out, just like my lob serves.

If you allow someone to 'make history' by winning a tournament during which they pass the age cutoff, how is the person they beat in the final going to feel ?

I don't actually know what the regulations are for the worlds - if they're based on the dates of the tournament then that might sometimes be unfair since people who expected to be able to play might not be able to if it's held a little later than normal. A fixed cutoff (1st Jan, 1st July, whatever) might make sense, but then you have the situation where someone 'overage' can win it (I don't think it matters with the British, the dates are always 2nd to 6th January).

I do know that I was 'robbed' of my best chance in our county O35 championships because the year I qualified it was played in March rather than the usual January, which allowed in two players who were way better than the rest of us .... such is life, I guess.

Adrian19 · Prolific Contributor Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 230

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

so how about moving to the aussie system where if your 18 on the first on jan you can play the whole year under 19 it doesnt matter when your birthday is??

Knife · Newbie Joined: 05 Sep 2007 Posts: 8

no that system is used in tennis and is a lot more unfair because the players born in january will always have a massive advantage over those born in december. this is a terrible argument. if you allow people within a few weeks in then why not just let everyone play?

Flash · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:58 am Post subject:

That's surely going to apply whatever date you set. Some are always going to be born at the beginning of the 12 month cycle and some at the end.

bendi36 · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 1:27 am Post subject:

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

so what do you suggest then that the current system works???

how do we stop the pakis cheating then? cos its going to happen again this year and next year?

Run-away-from-danger Boy · Prolific Contributor Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 140

Until you can provide proof that the Pakistanis are cheating, your accusation is completely baseless. You need documentation proving they are older than they say they are, otherwise you are coming across as someone with sour grapes.

Just because some of them may 'appear' older than the average 18 year old, does not automatically make them so. This argument has been flying around for years, and no one has ever found proof the Pakistanis or Egyptians are cheating.

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

having spoke to them a couple of years on after their junior careers they openly admit to it,

but thanks for your useless viewpoint it was much appreciated.

Run-away-from-danger Boy · Prolific Contributor Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 140

Adrian19 · Prolific Contributor Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 230

Its pretty easy to sort this out, just schedule junior player's birthdays before the championships. End of problem. You're welcome.

Adrian19 · Prolific Contributor Joined: 13 Mar 2008 Posts: 230

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

Bilal Zaman (Pakistan)
Statistics: Ranking History
Gender: Male
Country: Pakistan
Born: 7 February 1985
Age: 23
Birthplace: Peshawar
Residence: Peshawar

taken from his PSA ranking info.

11, National
U19 Ranking 3
Player: Bilal Zaman
Seed: 9/16
Home Club: Mushaf
Squash Complex
Hobbies: Squash and
Study
Info of Interest: Silver .
Medalist during British Junior Championship
2005, World Ranking 125, National
Ranking 15, National U19 Ranking 4

taken from the players info for the 2006 world team champs in new zealand.

what can we say now that looks like proof to me????

xym · Newbie Joined: 30 Mar 2008 Posts: 8

so evidence was produced and everyone went quiet?????

B.V.D · Newbie Joined: 29 Oct 2007 Posts: 7

I agree with you totally about some pakistani's lying about age and Bilal Zaman is a disgrace to Squash. He is openly admitting to cheating by doing that really isn't he. He should be dealt with!

Run-away-from-danger Boy · Prolific Contributor Joined: 29 Jun 2007 Posts: 140

So why aren't you shoving this evidence in the WSF's face? I agree, it looks very suspicious. I would be making noise if I were you - no point just splashing it about on this forum and complaining. Do something with it!!!