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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:44 am    Post subject: Steve's NOT the powers to be Reply with quote

I did check you on the net because I was wondering myself if you're truly NOT The power to be Smile
And happily I found out that you are the same/ similar as everybody here, so to say. Passion for the sport itself,
a lot of knowledge and understanding. I dare to say you would be great supporter for Mark Chaloner
(current PSA President)

But the mission of PSA is
"Managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour." so it's NOT for us. We may watch and cheer, but PSA is not designed to satisfy our thoughts or needs.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry drop.shot, too deep for me. I just think writing 15/13 down as 11/10(5-3) is stupid, that's all.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:20 pm    Post subject: Also Sorry Reply with quote

Also sorry drop-dot-shot, but the PSA is, in fact, "designed to satisfy our thoughts or needs." If you (plural) don't like what you see, they don't exist. They have a product. If you don't buy it, they have to retool and come up with something that will sell. You pay their salary, and they constantly try to increase it by making their product better and more popular.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steve wrote: I just think writing 15/13 down as 11/10(5-3) is stupid,

AND I TRULY AGREE WITH THAT. 15-13 is fifteen to thirteen bar none. Whoever think different must be called "retarded" Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

asdf,

I just said that PSA mission is "Managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour.

in that light, I do NOT think that PSA would even bother to read/ analyze/ understand our comments /slash/ needs. READ carefully - managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash TOUR.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 24, 2007 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drop.shot wrote:
asdf,

I just said that PSA mission is "Managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour.

in that light, I do NOT think that PSA would even bother to read/ analyze/ understand our comments /slash/ needs. READ carefully - managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash TOUR.


Drop, you cannot "manage and promote the dynamic world of squash" without first and foremost listening to fans and understanding their needs. Any sport or business that fails to do this is doomed to fail. And in our small community, this forum is an excellent place to gauge this, maybe the only place on the entire net. We are some of the most devoted fans on earth.

Personally I agree with Steve that at 10 all, its not a tiebreak so why the heck record it as such? If you're going to call it a tiebreak, make it longer than 2 points for goodness sake. Otherwise, just call it first to 11, two clear and record the score 15-13. In the days before the tennis tiebreaker, scores like 9-7, 8-6, 10-12, 13-11 were understood perfectly by the general public without the benefit of brackets.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 25, 2007 6:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do respect what you say, but decisions of PSA do not seem to be influenced by one inch with our voices, do not you see that? PSA's mission is not to satisfy you or us, but to make the tour go on. Simple.

P.S. By the way - you do not read carefully enough.
PSA mission is "Managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour.

It's not "the world of squash" it's "men's professional squash tour". Semantics?
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Calsquasher wrote:
Drop, you cannot "manage and promote the dynamic world of squash" without first and foremost listening to fans and understanding their needs. Any sport or business that fails to do this is doomed to fail.


If you replace the word 'squash' with 'NHL hockey', then you've got a pretty good description of why the NHL isn't doing better... stupid Gary Bettman.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 8:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

drop.shot wrote:
Steve wrote: I just think writing 15/13 down as 11/10(5-3) is stupid,

AND I TRULY AGREE WITH THAT. 15-13 is fifteen to thirteen bar none. Whoever think different must be called "retarded" Rolling Eyes


Not sure about the retarded comment but totally agree with the whole 11-10(25-23) debate, life is already complex without making things even more complicated (on purpose!)
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Haasquet"]
Calsquasher wrote:
Drop, you cannot "manage and promote the dynamic world of squash" without first and foremost listening to fans and understanding their needs. Any sport or business that fails to do this is doomed to fail.


Jees, (Jon Power was given a stroke for abusing words for that)
is my English so bad or you guys do not understand what I wrote?
My comment was full of cynical words saying about PSA mission
as they mention that on their website.
Managing and promoting the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour
They're NOT designed to satisfy our needs. dynamic world - yes, but... it's a world of the men's profesional squash TOUR.
Guys, pls, wake up here. We have NO influence on that. Anybody here voted in
any elections to PSA management or whatsoever? Just let's focus on some other topics.

Just to remind you - it was about the invalid scoring system and semantic misunderstandings of "tie-break".

Peace Rolling Eyes[fade]
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And to who, exactly, are they promoting it to? Themselves?
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour.

just go to their http://www.psa-squash.com/ (About the PSA) and you will see it just before your very eyes.
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PostPosted: Fri Jul 27, 2007 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay, I read it. I still don't get it, so please explain it to me like I'm a 5 year old - to whom are they supposed to promote it to?

Surely you can't interpret it as them promoting it to themselves??? They have to promote it to somebody, I expect that would be Joe Public. You can't promote anything to anybody effectively without knowing what they want in the first place, no? Can the PSA simply ignore the public if they want long term success? Isn't PSA success largely determined by the satisfaction and interest of the general public / sponsors? Don't they need to know how to do that?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 2:24 am    Post subject: Sponsors Reply with quote

Ultimately, it is the sponsors that need to be pleased. But the sponsors want to please you.

This topic is generating some excellent posts.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 28, 2007 1:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Give it up guys! I don't think he is gonna get it Rolling Eyes

I think we all agree that that to "Manage and promote the dynamic world of the men's professional squash tour" you first need someone to promote to, which is the squash paying public. Whether or not they will listen to the public (through this forum or any other medium) I don't know, but they should.

Definitely 15-13 and not 11-10 (5-3).
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:44 am    Post subject: Squash scoring Reply with quote

I don't understand why we have to have a change in scoring, all it has done is remove the one thing that set squash apart from other racket sports, that is the ability to recover from a seemingly impossible position in a game or a match. Table Tennis has changed their scoring system and stuffed it completely. If it's not broke don't fix it is my view. Now we have the WISPA girls adopting it, are players going to travel long distances to tournaments to be eliminated after spending less than 20 minutes on court??? It was obvious that the PSA had made a mistake with adopting PAR scoring when they decided to change to 11 from 15, all it has done is make the rallies longer and more boring than under traditional scoring. There are team events held in my area in NZ using first to 11 scoring and some players opt out as they don't want to travel for 2 hours for a 20 minute match. Why change for the sake of change??
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